Sap, Blackjack & Slungshot History: Unusual Victorian Self Defense Cosh
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Anyone had any first hand experience with these things, a friend has one of each and I've always doubted their effectiveness.
I am I wrong to think such thoughts.
After he died I went through my Grandfather's effects, one of the things I kept was a lead weighted leather slap.
It's a double thickness paddle-shaped piece of rawhide, with a flattened egg-shaped lead weight in the end.
When I found it, it was one of the things that made me chuckle, so I kept it.
I gave myself a half-hearted slap on the thigh with it, and I can assure you, it is effective as designed.
Probably illegal for carry in most all states without a permit under their various club and blackjack laws.
I carry my sap everywhere I go.
Have used it twice.
Its like a light switch,you apply force to the right spot and the lights go out.
There is very little that will stop a fight faster than a sap to the top of a shoulder or the side of the head.
I train with a fellow who is odds of royal in blackjack guard in max at a max security prison.
He assures me that the old days when they could carry saps and blackjacks were much safer for officers.
He claims that just a little tap could "quiet" a confrontation down and just a little more force could stop it cold.
SouthNarc had a class go here saps and blackjacks this weekend.
Pitty I couldn't make it.
LOL This is rather humerous, because I remember my PaPaw carrying one of those around in his overalls pockets when he worked in the Railroad yard.
Scary part was it was really worn.
Most police departments forbid the use of saps, slaps and beavertails.
Some smaller departments will turn a blind eye towards the carry of such, but you better check with a veteran.
My first Sheriff actively encouraged the use of a lead slapper.
Palm saps are sneaky little jewels.
Mine was a disc of lead encased in leather about an inch, maybe an inch-and-a-bit in diametre.
It darkwood labs blackjack advantage attached to a hit with a blackjack cosh loop in such a way that the lead was held in the palm, with the loop across the back of the hand.
An open-handed, jovial "hey-buddy-how-ya-doin'?
An open slap to the head or jaw learn more here probably knock someone cold, but I never had to go that far.
Sap gloves are bloody good in-fighting tools.
They are both more versatile than a slapper, and at the same time, less versatile.
While wearing sap gloves it is possible to use your hands to do other things -- grabbing a subject, applying handcuffs, dailing phone, etc.
Effective, but Sheriffs and Chiefs of Police tend to start developing heartburn upon seeing a vidcam shot on the evening news of one of their officers back-handing a critter, even if the critter really, really needed it.
With a slapper, or palm sap, you can be a little more discrete and still get the job done without that nasty closed-fist punch, or back-of-the-hand hit with a blackjack cosh that doesn't really look good on CNN.
LawDog I remember my PaPaw carrying one of those around in his overalls pockets when he worked in the Railroad yard.
The 2-way radio has taken its place - hang on to the antenna and slap someone upside the head or on the knee, it'll take the fight right outta them!
But I won't tell you their name, location or even country to protect the innocent.
Let me even say.
When, out of the corner of his eye.
Seeing this, runs to his aid.
He hits the first guy in the back of the head.
Apparently, the guy just dropped like a puppet with it's strings suddenly cut their words.
So nitey night for this guy.
The second assailant manages to score with a haymaker on the side of his head.
But he manages to duck his chin into his shoulder, so only his ear cops the beating.
The second assailant then closes in to "grapple".
He manages to lift the blackjack up and snaps it into the assailants teeth.
The assailant immediately lets go; clasping his mouth with both hands.
This gives the opportunity for a "proper" shot to the side of the head.
I relate this story because he had the choice between the blackjack or a tactical folder.
The blackjack had immediate stopping power.
The assailants were BIG.
I think if he went for the blade.
Leather Glove and a Roll of Pennies Yeah, I know, it's back to the thing about "is Hit with a blackjack cosh a weapon?
If you're not sure you should have a sap in your belt or pocket 'cause it's too hard to explain to the people where you work or whatever, a fairly effective tool can be made just by taking a leather glove and dropping a tube of coins down the middle finger.
Or by dropping, say, one round of.
Snap THAT thing down on somebody's forearm or whatever.
It's not exactly "concealed carry" but no point in click if you don't have to.
Nobody ever asked me why I have a pair of cattleman's gloves tucked into my pocket, and hey, whatever you have stuck in the finger s just drops right out if you actually need the gloves.
HiWayMan that is an interesting story.
If he hit with a blackjack cosh have drawn the folder he would have escalated things from a fist fight to a lethal force encounter.
So by hitting them both with a sap he basically saved their lives.
Of course you could easily kill someone with a sap but it would certainly be a better option IMO than something that is an obvious level of excalation of force stabbing them.
I have never hit someone in the head with a sap, but if it works as well as everyone says it does, having an improvised sap might be a very good idea from a legal standpoint.
I became concerned years ago and got rid of my sap, which was a commercially made device.
Thanks for putting me staight on this guys.
Whats the suggestion then, the flat one or the tube one?
It hurts like all get out.
I was 4 or 5 and it didn't hurt all that much when I smacked my arm.
John The flat sap is probably the more versitile of the two.
Besides being easier to conceal it will allow a strike with the flat which can range from stunning to instant KO, depending on place struck and size and weight of sap.
The knife edge can link used to target large muscle groups thighs, biceps, pecs, etc or it can be used to break bones high force concentration over a small area.
The round body blackjack has the ability to crush bones hands, cranium, facial structure with relative ease.
The striking force of even read more light BJ is greatly enhanced by the spring handle.
Either one will do the job.
But, and this can not be stressed enough, they are very serious business.
You can alter hit with a blackjack cosh features permanently with a missed or overexuberant blow.
They also carry the same legal ramifications as a firearm in deadly force situations, as well as being an instant felony in most states in the US for simple possession off your property.
Thought I remembered these from drafting classes long ago!
The Dataprint Leather Paper Weight is filled with 1 ½ lbs.
Great for holding plans open for rev iew or for taping.
Leather color may vary.
If anyone's looking for powdered lead, as opposed to shot for completely innocent, legal purposes, of linkhere's one source.
I imagine a hit with a blackjack cosh of places that sell golf junk might have it too.
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Sap, Blackjack & Slungshot History: The Original Slungshot
cosh definition: a blackjack, bludgeon, or similar weaponOrigin of coshBritish slang from Romani, contr. from koshter, a skewer, stick to strike with a cosh...
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